>>>
new
york
senator
chuck schumer
gave his blessing to the nomination of
chuck hagel
for
defense secretary
, his path to confirmation was essentially cleared. but the hawks who oppose
hagel
have only dug in deeper and the latest evidence comes from a newly created anti-
hagel
group
called use your mandate. they have no website and an address that exists only as a p.o. boshtion and anonymous backers who claim to be obama allies. here is their anti-
hagel
ad. it's been on tv. let's watch it.
>>
chuck hagel
, he's been nominated to be secretary of defense, and
president obama
nominated him with the best of intentions. but it's still a bad choice. hague sel anti-woman, anti-choice, anti-
israel
, anti-gay, and pro-assault weapon. that's just not what we voted for in november.
chuck hagel
doesn't share our values. there are other people who can do the job. why do we need someone like this? we don't. urge your senator to vote no on
hagel
.
>>
so why the anti-
hagel
backers in the
group
use your mandate so shy in a source close to the
group
told "
huffington post
," quote, those involved are choosing to stay anonymous because they're allies with the obama administration and hesitant to criticize the president publicly for fear of retribution or pressure from the
white house
. the source characterized members as a concerned
group
of people who have some questions about
chuck hagel
, including individuals who have fought for
lgbt rights
for a long time. oh, really? that just doesn't sound right to a lot of people, including many reporters and our own
rachel maddow
. let's listen to rachel.
>>
probably they're asserting there's some kind of broad democrat opposition to
chuck hagel
. we're just not allowed to know who it is. i'm not buying it. i call bullpucky. i say it's
even money
that this is the right running ads against
hagel
while pretending to be the left. i might be wrong but i call bullpucky. if i am wrong, there's an
easy way
to prove it. come out, come out, whoever you are.
>>
rachel as smoky. joining me right now two reporters who have done the legwork to leinvestigate who is behind this
group
, the great
jim
routen burg of new
york
times and
andrew
krasinski.
jim
, thank you. i appreciate you coming on tonight. i was curious when he saw the
log cabin
ads. they're not a well-funded organization but they seem to have an enormous amount of money to pay for a "new
york
times" ad. i said where is that money coming from? it's apparently, i don't know if you know this, but it's $140,000 to put a full-page ad in. i said, well, that's interesting. somebody is feeding them from the back room. what's going on here? are these hawks, neocons, sauld people that just want to go to war, they don't like
hagel
's geopolitics?
>>
there are definitely hawks who don't like his politics who are out in the open saying we don't want this to go forward. but then there are people in the shadows who are giving a lot of money for these ads who don't say who they are so we're only left to speculate.
>>
you were able in your reporting to come across the ad
group
out of the
group
that makes the ads which is a republican
group
. there's also a
group
called the
emergency committee
, whatever it is, for
israel
. that's two pieces, one partisan, one ideological to tell you where they're coming from, right?
>>
and they happen to share the same firm to buy their media. these are the firms that kind of put
television ads
on the air and some of the firms are partisan and it so happens the
group
they use,
smart media
is a republican
group
. they buy for republicans and republicans only more or less.
>>
let me be the most naive person in television and ask you why don't they come out and say who they are and why they're opposing this guy?
>>
well, i think in "the
huffington post
" report they said they're
gay rights
democrats --
>>
okay.
>>
but --
>>
hrc, a
group
i have worked with for years, almost two decades, is with them, they accept the man's
change of heart
as part of the country's
change of heart
about
gay rights
and certainly
marriage equality
and who are these people that stay in the shadows and say they have a problem with his positions on guns, on
israel
, on
gay rights
, on everything? it just seems like quite a potpourri and, therefore, suspicious i think.
>>
i mean, you look at the
list of groups
that would oppose
chuck hagel
who are
gay rights
groups who would be willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars who don't want to alienate the
white house
, and you think maybe the list is down here. you think of conservatives who are willing to do that, and the list is a little bit higher. so i mean i think the spount people are spending monhundreds of thousands of dollars. we don't know who it is. they're saying they're
gay rights
democrats but the fact they use a
media farm
with ties to the rn c, christine o'donnell, and, i mean, it's very sketchy. i think people want to spend all this money to oppose
chuck hagel
, that's fine but the fact we don't know who it is is a little disconcerting.
>>
here is a statement from a friend of mine, chad, president of the
human rights campaign
, one of the largest
gay rights
groups. he was conciliatory after
hagel
apologized for ace-tie gay comments. he said his apology and statement of support for lgbt equality is appreciated and shows just how far as a kubt we've konl from a former conserva nebraska can have a
change of heart
on lgdt issues. tllt they are. talk about conciliation there,
jim
. the
lgbt community
and under the name there of the great organization
human rights campaign
are accepting him as an ally. let me get back to you. you're a student now as a reporter of media. you have always been a great reporter of media. now how
media works
into politics. are we seeing more of this subterfuge of this, apparent subterfuge?
>>
i think this is just the way it's going to be unless there's a new law, the disclose act in the senate that we're talking about that would make the donors have to
step forward
. if that doesn't happen, this is the way it's going to be done now definitely for the next few years. expect more of it in the next two gans.
>>
people like the koch brother, i have heard them, i don't think adelman is the name, but the koch brothers believe they have the right to influence
american politics
big time
with lots of spening, big promotion of certain candidates, big opposition to people like the president, and not to have any investigation of who they are, any exposure of their own personal or political involvement. is that a reasonable thing to believe in? they can have this power without any identity? last question to you,
andrew
?
>>
i think there are a lot of -- i mean, someone like
sheldon adelson
or other groups, you think about do they mind spending tons of money against
chuck hagel
? no. i mean, but are they going to do it disguising as lgbt democrats and you wonder if they're willing to go that far, but like i said, who is willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and not have their name out there who is powerful enough that they don't want to alienate the
white house
? i mean, it really -- it doesn't -- it's very sketchy like i said. we don't know who is behind it.
>>
well, they're not the first wolves in sheep's clothing. that probably doesn't fit but it sounds like a historic combination. thank you
jim
rutenberg and
andrew
kaczynski, congratulations for coming on. just a remind ir, tomorrow
andrea mitchell
will interview the outcoming secretary of state. that's coming up at
1:00 p.m
. tomorrow on msnbc. we'll be using parts of that but if you want to catch the whole thing, watch andree at 1:00.
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